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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast this is part 1.5 of our profile

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series on tom delong dan welcome back

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hello it's good to be back i i realized

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in our last recording which has gone out

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we actually said kind of bon voyage and

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that was it but i'm back today recording

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uh with you for this

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but when this goes out you'll be away

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yeah i will be away you said bye to the

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listeners i suppose last time yeah i

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guess so that's true that's true this

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will go out when you're in colombia so

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yeah this will be like the middle of

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that week you'll have been there a

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i hope you're having a nice time and all

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that and no one's destroying your

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team a was meant to be uh what team b

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series and what came of of to the stars

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academy so we're not rushing this folks

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he sent us over on um the new york times

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article that famously launched and a

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released yet but if you're on the

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patreon the apple premium the spotify

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premium or on youtube as a member you're

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gonna get access to all this stuff early

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as well so thank you for supporting if

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not thank you for listening on the free

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feeds and listen to the adverts it's

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always always helpful um i want to start

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pronunciation um in a very nice way he'd

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on on that part one that we've done so

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the discord channel which you get access

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to being part of patreon and such is

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audience and it's a different uh you

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know room to speak to um and a different

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how does that affect and one of the

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where he would have been working in his

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role with that administration in charge

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of found and connected uh

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wait way after these points so

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were at the press launch too um and yeah

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it's it's a very it's a very different

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kind of plan and look to what would have

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come

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from a more established and a wider

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reaching uh

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organization

283
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you would have to think if we

284
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there's a chance that we don't know the

285
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name louise elizondo um maybe he stays

286
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in his job maybe he doesn't that a lot

287
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can change in a year

288
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but i suppose

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even with him not being involved in team

290
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a as we're going to call it with you

291
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know de long podesta

292
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uh mcasland clinton and the others

293
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that that were going to be involved in

294
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those initial discussions and wikileaks

295
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lou probably would have got involved at

296
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some point wouldn't they even if it was

297
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again in the background because he was

298
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still the guy running we'll just call it

299
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the ufo program because you know that's

300
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what those guys were looking at um so

301
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yeah he was still the guy in charge of

302
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that so he would have had to have been

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part of those conversations at least his

304
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door would have been knocked on yeah and

305
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it sounds like as we know luilazondo now

306
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he would have been

307
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those conversations given

308
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he was only a year away from resigning

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in his post

310
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yeah um i i guess when you think of it

311
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that way one of the things would that

312
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would likely be different

313
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is we would have been presented lou by

314
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probably hillary or her administration

315
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as the guy looking after the ufos

316
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instead of having this back and forth

317
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with the dod where they've got rid of

318
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his emails and everything like that so

319
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it probably would have been a lot better

320
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in that way

321
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so yeah so interesting point and that's

322
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what we're going to

323
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look at with the

324
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part two we're going to kind of kick off

325
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with what

326
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what happened around wikileaks and why

327
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team a and team b and lesson team b was

328
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not secondary or you know a poor man's

329
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follow-up by any choice but it just had

330
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to happen because of what happened and

331
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we'll discuss that as part of part two

332
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so thanks great question yep anything

333
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you'd add to that then

334
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uh no i think we covered it there right

335
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yeah i think so awesome um next up josh

336
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josh uh actually josh john and scott

337
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people again will think i'm just making

338
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up these really common names

339
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all had very similar questions and

340
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points that they would all like to see

341
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comparisons of activity or conversations

342
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versus what was said by tom delong in

343
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the early days as to what

344
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what his position as now that's

345
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something we will save for a final

346
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episode or a summary of everything we've

347
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done so we don't want to run across that

348
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just now because we'll start to go into

349
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um years well past what we're looking to

350
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do in part two so it's something we are

351
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definitely gonna do so look out for that

352
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and the kind of final part or a summary

353
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episode of of the whole profile series

354
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so thank you for that

355
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as there

356
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is anything dan if i could put you on

357
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the spot though that springs to mind

358
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from from those early days of tom and

359
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his comments and those interviews

360
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that maybe has changed for you massively

361
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yeah uh it would be the greek god stuff

362
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for me uh that that's kind of dropped

363
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out of what he talks about it's more

364
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consciousness and source and things like

365
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that uh

366
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and i don't know if that's what the book

367
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war is going to

368
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revolve around um but i i would guess

369
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it's that subject i mean it's taken ages

370
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so i i assume it's it's just a bit of a

371
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touchy one you know

372
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what why do you think that did drop out

373
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is that one of those things as we're

374
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going to get to talking about tom uh had

375
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his wings clipped as many people refer

376
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to it after after a couple of interviews

377
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let alone is it the one of the big ones

378
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where they came off particularly

379
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conspiratorial and about all over the

380
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place and people questioned was he on

381
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drugs and but but she wasn't it was just

382
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he was just so hyper and excited and

383
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just kind of spewing all this

384
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information out there

385
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do you think at that point

386
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when he had his wings clipped he chose

387
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to to cut back on some of these

388
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statements because they potentially went

389
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through or

390
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he just couldn't keep going at that 100

391
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miles an hour that he was doing

392
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i i think he just he had a lot of

393
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knowledge to share and

394
00:14:00,230 --> 00:13:57,990
it's like feeding an animal just too

395
00:14:01,910 --> 00:14:00,240
fast right uh that you kind of choke on

396
00:14:04,550 --> 00:14:01,920
things and you can't fully explain

397
00:14:06,310 --> 00:14:04,560
things um and i think that was

398
00:14:09,590 --> 00:14:06,320
what contributed to him kind of falling

399
00:14:11,750 --> 00:14:09,600
over himself on joe rogan uh instead of

400
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just slowing down and getting a lot more

401
00:14:15,829 --> 00:14:14,480
focused in his conversations um and yeah

402
00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:15,839
the freight the phrase clipped his wings

403
00:14:20,230 --> 00:14:17,760
was was definitely thrown around but i i

404
00:14:21,910 --> 00:14:20,240
think it was probably uh a kind of hey

405
00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:21,920
tom you know focus up let's go a bit

406
00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:23,760
slower and more intentional

407
00:14:27,509 --> 00:14:25,519
rolled up newspaper straight to the nose

408
00:14:29,990 --> 00:14:27,519
for tom delon that's what happened

409
00:14:31,189 --> 00:14:30,000
bad tom bad tom um but yeah thanks for

410
00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:31,199
that gents look out for that in the

411
00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:33,680
final uh series episode of the series

412
00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:35,360
and that'll be uh maybe a month or so

413
00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:38,720
away probably um taran uh great name

414
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like to have one that's not really

415
00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:42,000
common um you should definitely mention

416
00:14:45,590 --> 00:14:44,000
how grier and de long first met and the

417
00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:45,600
story behind grier giving him the

418
00:14:50,310 --> 00:14:48,240
disclosure tapes we did touch on that in

419
00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:50,320
the initial uh part one

420
00:14:54,389 --> 00:14:52,959
uh which was the interview we shared we

421
00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:54,399
recommended people go and check out

422
00:14:58,150 --> 00:14:56,480
between james ian doley not an interview

423
00:15:00,790 --> 00:14:58,160
but james i end only put together a nice

424
00:15:02,230 --> 00:15:00,800
package presenting that that story and

425
00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:02,240
that was part of it as well so please

426
00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:03,360
check that out

427
00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:04,880
in part one the link is in the

428
00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:07,120
description but dan you wanted to add

429
00:15:09,990 --> 00:15:08,959
something we forgot to mention as part

430
00:15:12,470 --> 00:15:10,000
of yes

431
00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:12,480
just that um to emphasize that tom was

432
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:13,600
one of the

433
00:15:17,269 --> 00:15:15,519
very first if not the first person the

434
00:15:20,470 --> 00:15:17,279
grier trusted with all those uh

435
00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:20,480
testimony tapes and he he

436
00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:22,480
speaks about in various clips how how

437
00:15:25,350 --> 00:15:24,000
nervous he was even having them in his

438
00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:25,360
house thinking that you know people were

439
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gonna show up and kick his door down uh

440
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:29,120
so yeah i just thought i would add that

441
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in because it it speaks to the

442
00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:32,560
relationship between tom and grier at

443
00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:33,920
one point

444
00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:36,079
yeah and that is important and i suppose

445
00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:37,519
that maybe

446
00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:39,519
and we'll get to one of dave smithers

447
00:15:43,269 --> 00:15:41,600
questions later on where he talks about

448
00:15:45,749 --> 00:15:43,279
tom delong's

449
00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:45,759
influence and has his kind of formative

450
00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:48,480
years when it pertains to ufos and maybe

451
00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:50,320
that gives you a taste of where tom came

452
00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:53,199
from and his journey through ufos and

453
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:55,120
what he does and doesn't believe and why

454
00:15:58,949 --> 00:15:56,800
he believed what he believed at the time

455
00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:58,959
so yeah it's definitely important and

456
00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:00,560
one you can't you can't leave out in the

457
00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:02,160
whole story and that's what we're trying

458
00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:04,320
to cover as best we can in this series

459
00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:06,560
um also taran i think uh that's a really

460
00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:07,759
pertinent question and this is

461
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:10,480
definitely one for you dan um if you can

462
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:12,639
try to state how much of an impact blink

463
00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:15,519
182 had on the whole on the following

464
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:17,279
generation of musicians and on the

465
00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:20,160
entire pop punk genre and whole huge

466
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:22,160
impact on a wide range of genres thomas

467
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:23,519
part of trying to get away from the

468
00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:26,079
childish aspects of blink 182 and trying

469
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:27,839
to use our platform to promote the more

470
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:30,800
serious subject matters thus him leaving

471
00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:34,240
the band to start angels and airwaves um

472
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:35,519
what do you think dan i know you

473
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:37,600
actually um done a little bit of editing

474
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:39,759
to that question because as for the

475
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,839
background he didn't leave the band to

476
00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:43,839
start angels in our way of study

477
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:46,000
uh well to start both car racer um it

478
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:47,519
was just kind of a side project he did

479
00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:48,880
while he was in a hospital bed

480
00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:51,600
recovering from surgery um and yeah it

481
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:53,120
kind of apparently came to him written

482
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:55,040
on an acoustic guitar travis was roped

483
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:56,800
in to do dramas because it just makes

484
00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:58,959
sense they were friends um and that was

485
00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:00,800
where mark kind of felt left out and

486
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:02,160
that was the start of the the kind of

487
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,559
schism in the band so to speak but taran

488
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,079
is absolutely right like blink blink

489
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:08,880
were so influential to so many bands a

490
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:10,799
little while back about a week or so

491
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:12,799
there was a

492
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:15,039
gig poster going around called when we

493
00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:16,959
were young and it's it's this big

494
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:19,280
festival in america that's kind of all

495
00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:20,799
of those bands that we grew up with you

496
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:23,439
know caramel people like that um

497
00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:24,799
and the first thing that struck me about

498
00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:26,079
it is that pretty much none of those

499
00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:27,679
bands would exist if blink 182 didn't

500
00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:28,880
exist

501
00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:30,640
you know i can't imagine paramore except

502
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:31,840
in second place on the bill because

503
00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:33,520
blink 182 are headlining or something

504
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:35,840
like that so there were these huge

505
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:39,039
generational pushes into kind of angst

506
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:41,120
and expressing these things and one of

507
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:42,720
the things that attracted me to blink

508
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,600
was

509
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:45,600
the kind of fact that

510
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:47,120
all of these incredible artists were

511
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:48,799
around you know i grew up listening to

512
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:50,960
you know my parents gave me meatloaf and

513
00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:52,799
bands like that um

514
00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:55,200
and all very accomplished musicians and

515
00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:57,360
then along come these three snotty kids

516
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:58,799
from san diego that prove that you can

517
00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,640
just do this in a garage with your mates

518
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:02,320
and that really appealed to me and

519
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:03,760
that's what i ended up doing and every

520
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:06,320
ever since then i followed that and that

521
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:09,120
attitude i think of you know i know

522
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:10,480
we're not professional but screw it

523
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:11,840
let's go for anyway and kick in a few

524
00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:14,080
doors and see what happens is what kind

525
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:15,840
of led tom

526
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:17,520
to to start knocking on doors to get the

527
00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:20,799
ufo subject moving um blink were an

528
00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:24,320
enormous band by the time tom left uh

529
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:27,200
and he then went into doing

530
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,559
a movie called i don't know if you've

531
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:30,559
seen love

532
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:33,280
no is that a second art art kind of

533
00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:36,559
project yeah movie very much kind of

534
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:38,000
what was the

535
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:39,520
the reason that angels or neighbors

536
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:41,440
existed was to create these art projects

537
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:43,440
that had not just music but also comic

538
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:44,960
books and movies and things like that to

539
00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:47,039
kind of augment and explore the subjects

540
00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:48,799
and and love was this

541
00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:51,600
film made by uh i forgot the gentleman's

542
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:53,520
first name but uh his surname was eubank

543
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:55,360
william eubank i think he made

544
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,520
underwater as well and he's gone on to

545
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:59,600
have a great film career now but he

546
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,200
started there with tom so i'd recommend

547
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:03,039
people go watch that because you'll kind

548
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:04,640
of get

549
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:06,960
tom's lovey-dovey side you know the

550
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:08,559
statement that love's gonna save us all

551
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,799
and that kind of stuff uh captured very

552
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:12,640
much in that film

553
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:13,520
and

554
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:19,600
of how he could use the platform he

555
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,000
built to make essentially

556
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,400
i'm gonna be crew dick jokes for

557
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,480
actually changing the world and helping

558
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:28,240
people live better lives whether you

559
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:30,240
agree with tom or not and

560
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,240
how he's done that i think that's a very

561
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:35,280
noble cause uh to turn

562
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:38,400
the essentially capitalist machine to a

563
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:39,679
good cause

564
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,960
yeah they certainly stood out at the

565
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:42,960
time and i remember being a kid and

566
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:45,280
seeing all the small things what's my

567
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:46,400
age again

568
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:49,200
and all the small things taking the mick

569
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:50,240
and you know

570
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:51,760
being if you don't understand taking the

571
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:52,960
mic you know

572
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,960
have making fun of making fun at

573
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,240
whatever the phrase might be where you

574
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:58,640
live uh bands like the backstreet boys

575
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:00,640
and britney spears and yeah those kind

576
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,520
of pop bands and they remember the

577
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,360
field you know kind of with the shirt

578
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:07,039
and buttoned yeah with with the

579
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:08,400
dandelion

580
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:09,280
yeah

581
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,960
those tropes wasn't it they were so used

582
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:14,640
to in music videos and you know all

583
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,840
these guys are really funny and they

584
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:17,679
don't take themselves seriously but yeah

585
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:20,720
there was a there's a blink 182 sound to

586
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,240
a song and usually it's that high doodle

587
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:26,480
you hear that guitar and it kicks in and

588
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,320
travis barker's drums are very unique

589
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,159
and they definitely

590
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,640
had had a distinctive sound like one of

591
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:34,400
my favorite bands is oasis

592
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:37,039
my favorite band is oasis and a very

593
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:38,720
distinctive guitar sound i've got a very

594
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,960
distinctive you know lead singer and you

595
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:42,720
just know when it's one of their songs

596
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,280
um for me the blink 182 i never followed

597
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,159
after after tom left i'm a fan of those

598
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,840
kind of big albums and the tom mark and

599
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,320
travis show was a staple of my youth so

600
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,400
i suppose that's something that

601
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:56,640
to the stars and tom's journey really

602
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,440
appealed to me long before i even had

603
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,280
grand ideas like starting a podcast on

604
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:03,919
ufos um

605
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,080
sorry go on no no because he was part of

606
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:07,840
my youth like that it was like one of

607
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:10,080
your heroes you know going off and doing

608
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,520
something so

609
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:13,200
different but

610
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:14,320
radically

611
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:17,840
expect them to do and they're all of a

612
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:20,400
sudden in this really

613
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,360
intense situation with these really

614
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,520
dangerous people and you know dangerous

615
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,760
scenarios and situations and

616
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,960
yeah and

617
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,480
a question i'm going to ask you in part

618
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:32,960
two is you know did tom delong change

619
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:35,200
the world and he don't answer it yet but

620
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,000
you know

621
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:37,840
there's an argument for that and against

622
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:41,039
that i'm sure but we'll get to that

623
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:42,640
yeah yeah absolutely it's a really good

624
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,520
question to consider uh

625
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,600
the the angels in airwaves stuff the

626
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:49,360
first album was written a lot of it was

627
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,640
written for blink and and

628
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:54,080
the blink found out they were probably

629
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:55,679
screaming at me to explain that tom was

630
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,760
very much the kind of the creative

631
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:59,200
engine in blink that kept pushing them

632
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,720
into the new genre so when you hear that

633
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,080
shift from all the small things to say

634
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,159
together for the kids that's mostly tom

635
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,320
kind of you know getting a bit bored and

636
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,159
trying to push the band sound a bit one

637
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:10,320
of my favorite blank songs well they

638
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,840
they have you're right that they have a

639
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,919
recognizable sound but i just wanted to

640
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,039
point out it didn't mean that they

641
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,200
didn't evolve you know um they they

642
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,200
started as a pop punk band and i i'd

643
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:21,520
argue they finished as just a rock band

644
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,400
um

645
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:24,240
and then and when i say finished i mean

646
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,600
you know when tom swapped out with matt

647
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,320
skiba who does a great job but

648
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,600
you know the fact that you can look at

649
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,200
those albums now and see that songs are

650
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,880
written by 17 different songwriters

651
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,080
instead of those three kids in the

652
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:36,000
garage explains exactly why that appeal

653
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,880
is just

654
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,960
now yeah listen you can still go and see

655
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,720
queen but it's not freddie mercury

656
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,400
singing the songs as great as adam

657
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,120
lambert is and you know

658
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,960
others who may have have stepped in at

659
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,440
times it's not freddie mercury so yeah

660
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,760
like you say blink as tom martin travis

661
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,120
starts the band

662
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,559
am and and travis isn't even the

663
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:56,080
original drummer as well there was no

664
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,520
yeah

665
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,600
scott rayner um who the song man

666
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,000
overboard is supposedly about um and and

667
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,480
scott actually he he had troubles with

668
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,000
um or the rumor was he had troubles with

669
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,240
addictions but he actually works with

670
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,919
charities now and he teaches kids to

671
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,520
dram and kind of helps a lot of people

672
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,520
so it's really sweet that he he didn't

673
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,840
go down that you know road of big fame

674
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,679
because he's he's found a way to to

675
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,039
change the world in his own little way

676
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:21,200
even not being here you know that big

677
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,799
that big band machine

678
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:24,400
yeah we won't get too much more into the

679
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,760
music side of things and we'll move on

680
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:27,200
but that was that was pertinent i

681
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,480
thought it was a good question to ask as

682
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,159
well and dan is certainly the man to

683
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:32,080
break that down for you can i just ask

684
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,039
one thing

685
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:34,559
for the listeners any blink fans out

686
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:38,960
there um let me know what post you know

687
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:41,679
the mats keeper songs which one of those

688
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,200
you'd like to hear tom's version of

689
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:47,200
good question that'd be interesting

690
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,320
cool

691
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:50,480
brandon got in touch and said i'd like

692
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,960
to know um if tom has a central point of

693
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,720
contact for scientists to collaborate

694
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,880
research through i'm a member of the

695
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,640
institute of the scientific coalition

696
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,039
for uap studies scu is something we've

697
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:03,279
talked about at times on the podcast and

698
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,120
as most of his projects have resulted in

699
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,440
a slashing burn of the prior entities

700
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,760
such as to the stars academy it makes

701
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,039
reaching out to the scientists he's

702
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,039
worked with almost impossible

703
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,200
as they are disbanded almost immediately

704
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,200
after going public

705
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,679
that's not 100 true is it but you know

706
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:21,200
ttsc was around for a while and i

707
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,400
suppose there's been more movement on

708
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,640
that but yeah i get what you want and

709
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:26,000
they would like

710
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,520
you know i i

711
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,120
would talk to customer service there and

712
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,279
and the the publicist specifically was

713
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:33,200
kind of hard to get in touch with so i'm

714
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,320
not sure what was happening there i

715
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,400
think brandon has a good point so far

716
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,080
yeah and there's a frustration brandon

717
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,320
goes on to say i hear time after time

718
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,159
why won't mainstream signs look at the

719
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,400
phenomenon the answer is some of us

720
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,400
myself included are trying very hard to

721
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,559
do just that but getting a hold of any

722
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,400
of the figures begging for scientists to

723
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,360
contact them has primarily primarily

724
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,200
resulted in silence or shuttered

725
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,799
organizations and that speaks to what

726
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:58,320
you said there dan

727
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,840
so if you would like if you would please

728
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,679
be so kind in your episode make it very

729
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:03,279
clear that if someone wants to ask

730
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,279
scientists to take a look they need to

731
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,960
give us contact information they will

732
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,880
actually respond to otherwise it's

733
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,480
extremely unprofessional of them to say

734
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,400
we're ignoring the subject matter and

735
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,559
yeah that that's fair if that if that is

736
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,880
out there um even

737
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,120
if he is contactable right you know he's

738
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,600
very active in the media he'll go on and

739
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:23,200
anyone that wants to talk to him he he

740
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:26,240
loves the to feed that curiosity um it

741
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,840
would be nice to be able to say the same

742
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:29,760
was true with ttsa but i i don't think

743
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,640
it is

744
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,080
yeah and i would say that to brandon

745
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,919
that you know reach out to an avila

746
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,240
because look at the the growing roster

747
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:39,360
of the galileo project and reach out to

748
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,400
uapx who again are doing the work

749
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,159
they're doing and we're waiting with

750
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,400
baited breath to see the results that

751
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,480
we're hoping to get by april um

752
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,320
hopefully from upx as well so gary

753
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:52,240
verhason co and there are some people

754
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:53,679
that are very very much open to the

755
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,159
subject but yeah i can appreciate and i

756
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,159
suppose we can be guilty that of that as

757
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,400
well done when we use that the blanket

758
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,840
statement that you know mainstream

759
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,200
scientists and these mainstream

760
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,200
scientists to get involved actually

761
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,200
mainstream science is now involved we

762
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,200
just want more of it to be involved yeah

763
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,039
yeah yeah that's a very true statement

764
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,760
we should uh put that on a banner

765
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:15,600
yeah we'll get on one of your tee shots

766
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:16,480
um

767
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,400
the dextop dave next i said dextop next

768
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,480
up dave smithers that's the one like a

769
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,640
tongue twister um dave you will

770
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:27,039
appreciate as you always tell me to um

771
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,640
we have to

772
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,120
uh edit your question a little bit um

773
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,720
dan's done that by the way so you can

774
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,080
drop down a message privately you'll

775
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,240
know the stuff he's cut out uh dan's

776
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,400
gonna laugh at that

777
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,320
so the first thing to note is that tom

778
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,240
delong built up a personal knowledge of

779
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,720
ufology allah linda molten how and

780
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,960
obviously we touched on the the dr

781
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,960
steven greer stuff as well which he

782
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,720
added to information he got from

783
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,720
briefings which is why it's hard to sort

784
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,799
out the truth from the fiction with tom

785
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,480
so basically uh

786
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,240
dave said he finds tom delong

787
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,240
interesting as he thinks he holds a lot

788
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,159
of core secrets but they are

789
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,679
contaminated and i think we touched

790
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,360
along those lines didn't we dan in part

791
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,520
one i like the phrasing there though

792
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,679
yeah the most important thing he has

793
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:11,200
said is that there are some dreadful

794
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,799
reasons why we haven't been told the

795
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,720
truth he alluded to this on the jimmy

796
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,480
church round of interviews and was told

797
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:17,919
to shut up and has not mentioned it

798
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,799
since that would be a key focus for dave

799
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,159
again i suppose that touches down

800
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,799
doesn't it on having his wings clipped

801
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,320
and basically being told off for how

802
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,840
much he was saying

803
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,440
how how much

804
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,520
do you buy into that that it was because

805
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,120
of statements like the the dreadful

806
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,520
reasons and i suppose you could link in

807
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,039
the kind of somber aspect of it as

808
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,120
people always jump on with lou

809
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,279
well that that's a very apt comparison i

810
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,840
think you know talking about how things

811
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,279
kept him up night and scared in three

812
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,279
days versus lou just kind of explaining

813
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,880
that it's gonna be a very somber moment

814
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,200
for us uh two two very different flavors

815
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,240
of responses um and yeah i think it

816
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,720
speaks to why tom was probably told to

817
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,240
chill out because you you're just gonna

818
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,080
make everyone panic by saying that kind

819
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:01,919
of stuff you know and and now even when

820
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:04,799
he tells that story he goes into how his

821
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,279
mother deals with uh religion and what

822
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,279
she would see in in this uncertainty of

823
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,840
reality and he he tells it in a much

824
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,840
more hopeful way these days than he did

825
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,240
back then and i think yeah if you're

826
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,840
trying to get people curious about the

827
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,840
subject scaring them isn't the way to do

828
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:20,880
it

829
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,080
we're at in the last couple of months

830
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,240
and i've said the term cataclysm keeps

831
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,320
getting brought up and by various

832
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,640
personalities you know frank milburn

833
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,320
michael masters ross coulthart john

834
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,640
ramirez all in the last couple of months

835
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,080
we interviewed all of them on this

836
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,559
podcast um but on other podcasts as well

837
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,559
they talk about these cataclysms and

838
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,960
just just today one of the listeners on

839
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,799
on youtube made a comment that they find

840
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,960
it quite scary that so many people are

841
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,960
bringing up this talk about potential

842
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,880
future cataclysms and you know is there

843
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,559
a timeline in the next few years where

844
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,960
something really bad could happen

845
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,960
i mean there's a good chance that these

846
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,559
people are all talking to the same

847
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:00,880
person and and what they're saying this

848
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,000
one person is putting out something that

849
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,679
they've heard or it's a rumor or they're

850
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,159
not sure of or just from whatever

851
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,600
they're talking about it's it's getting

852
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,799
thrown out there

853
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,480
could could that also be the same person

854
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,559
or persons that go back to when tom is

855
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,320
finding out this information

856
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,720
yeah perhaps it's really hard to know um

857
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,880
but to the catholicism stuff i would say

858
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,960
that it is scary but

859
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,120
the reality of the world is that you

860
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,760
know we could be hit by a meteor like

861
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:29,279
the tunguska

862
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,080
uh

863
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,720
air explosion event well supposedly um

864
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,919
and if that happened over new york you

865
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,279
know the whole city would be gone it

866
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:37,360
would just be gone um anything bigger

867
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:41,039
you know could wipe out everything um so

868
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,640
and there are all these you know a micro

869
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:44,080
black hole could pull the planet apart

870
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,960
and

871
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:46,799
we we can't live life panicking about

872
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:49,039
these things so i just say that even

873
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,840
though

874
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,720
uh

875
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,799
cataclysms are being spoken about a lot

876
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,720
there's no hard date

877
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,720
you could you know get by a car walking

878
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,080
out your front door tomorrow try not to

879
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:01,120
panic too much uh it's curiosity and

880
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,240
think of it this way if there is a

881
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,840
cataclysm coming it's better to know

882
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,520
about it so we can protect ourselves you

883
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:07,200
know we'll train up bruce willis and

884
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,559
send him up to drill whatever it is

885
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,799
that's coming and that's dan's moment of

886
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,840
saying

887
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:13,039
we'll probably all die in some

888
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,720
horrendous horrific way but don't worry

889
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,720
about it too much you know before dan

890
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,320
has been to colombia yeah bristolis has

891
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,480
got it covered folks but yeah that is

892
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,360
that thing and again the cataclysm

893
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,679
story is one that always comes up and as

894
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,760
they are through every major religion

895
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,000
and is there through every you know

896
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,240
famous you know uh

897
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,559
god what's the word nostradamus

898
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,480
philosopher no prophecy

899
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,320
prop yeah prophecy advocate oh you know

900
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,919
people who make these predictions

901
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,360
they're always there they always come

902
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,600
they always go but again interpretations

903
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,000
are there to be just that interpreted

904
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,000
and you know the ending of one thing can

905
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,440
be the beginning of another you know the

906
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,520
main calendar finished but it recycles

907
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,960
and restarts and

908
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:54,640
birth and life and all that kind of all

909
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:57,519
that good stuff so for me

910
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,720
it's one of those things that's great

911
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,000
they keep coming and going because we

912
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,679
don't want to be talking about you know

913
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,279
that cataclysm that happened and that

914
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,600
was pretty shocking because you know

915
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,120
that's that's not what we want to be

916
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,600
doing um if we do have another race of

917
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,080
beings that are helping out and that

918
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:13,760
just on that folks i went to see

919
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:20,789
you can't see this if you're not

920
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,240
watching the youtube i'd recommend you

921
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,919
jump on just so you can see andy's head

922
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,600
shake when he sighed then

923
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,440
i i'm and i'm not saying it's bad and

924
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,440
i'm not saying it's good

925
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,200
i'm really confused i really want to

926
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,360
talk about it on the podcast because

927
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,960
there's some really interesting ideas

928
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,799
and if you've seen it you'll know why if

929
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:38,000
you've seen the trailer you'll you'll

930
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:39,360
get the point but

931
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:40,799
when it goes into those details it was

932
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,279
quite interesting but there's like ropey

933
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,840
cgi that it gets stuck between being

934
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,279
shown in the dead meat's independence

935
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,120
day but the worst of both not the best

936
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:51,440
of both sure um and i keep waiting on it

937
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,640
deciding on is it a parody comedy of a

938
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:57,600
disaster flick but i don't think it is

939
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:58,480
and

940
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:01,840
but yeah anyway

941
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,200
it talks about you know beings and

942
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,600
cataclysms not to give anything away

943
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,269
it's got some really interesting

944
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:13,200
theories and again that's one they talk

945
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,480
about on the podcast down the line

946
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,559
probably but yeah so for me they come

947
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:18,640
and go it never happens which is a good

948
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,870
what can you say on it dan other than

949
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,880
you know it's a really easy one for us

950
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:26,480
to come on and go we've got a source

951
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,440
that's told us there's going to be a

952
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,039
cataclysm potentially in the next five

953
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,440
years that we hope some um some other

954
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,880
entities you know

955
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,399
divert this from happening and stop it

956
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,799
from happening five years comes and goes

957
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:38,880
and yep dan yeah those those entities

958
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,039
helped out

959
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,960
yeah plus you know we kind of have

960
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,120
classicalism going on now with global

961
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,279
warming and all of the natural weather

962
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,039
disasters that are happening and you

963
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,039
know so on so forth the list goes on and

964
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,640
on and on um

965
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,240
and the more we learn about the system

966
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:56,080
of planet earth the more gonna start

967
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,760
understanding that we've damaged it like

968
00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:59,279
crazy and we're gonna have to adapt with

969
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,159
it um so if you ask some people we are

970
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,960
in a catastrophe now so it's all you

971
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,640
know a matter of perspective one man's

972
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:08,559
prophecy is another man's fiction

973
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,679
100

974
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,519
um so yeah but no i appreciate that

975
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:13,360
thank you good um good shout good

976
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,159
question um the next stop was jessica

977
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:18,480
greetings andy and dan i've cut out

978
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,919
jessica's really nice comments about the

979
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,760
podcast because that's what we do done

980
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,760
in the comment section on reddit someone

981
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,360
mentions that tom believes in an

982
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,880
underground pyramid somewhere that is

983
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:29,039
suppressing human consciousness i

984
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,480
haven't been able to track down an

985
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:32,159
interview of him mentioning this but was

986
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,600
wondering if there was any truth to him

987
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,679
saying that it wouldn't really surprise

988
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:37,519
me just curious i would also like to

989
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,480
hear a more

990
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:40,640
piece together version of his theory the

991
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:44,000
phenomenon could be parasitic entities

992
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:45,360
i've i've heard that interview as well

993
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,640
dan do you know off the top of your head

994
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:48,080
which one it was

995
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,830
miss it so long goes to washington uh

996
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,360
that's what's popped up for me

997
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,440
um

998
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:00,159
oh sprudi.com here we go tom delong just

999
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,600
announced there's a huge underground

1000
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:03,519
pyramid beneath alaska that's key to

1001
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,320
this um he he did he did nothing of the

1002
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,720
sword this is exactly what he spoke

1003
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,560
about when uh or what dave spoke about

1004
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,720
when he referenced linda molten howe uh

1005
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,720
this is from linda molten howe he's

1006
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,480
repeating something intriguing to get

1007
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,240
people intrigued but i i don't think he

1008
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,560
has to do things like this um when you

1009
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,200
look it up you find that basically

1010
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:25,200
there's a giant

1011
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,720
mountain in uh alaska

1012
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,480
that oh sorry

1013
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,599
antarctica uh that oh no alaska ignore

1014
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:35,359
me i had to get it right

1015
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,720
you should not you sure it's alaska

1016
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,320
antarctica is the one that's buddy

1017
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,399
alaska it's i mean

1018
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,159
i was gonna reference so can you

1019
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,760
remember the alien face that people

1020
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:45,440
found on google that was in the ice and

1021
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,839
the snow uh it's kind of that situation

1022
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,119
again when you look at it from certain

1023
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,480
angles it looks like a pyramid other

1024
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,560
angles it does not uh some people think

1025
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:54,320
that it's this there's this thing

1026
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,839
underneath it that's suppressing human

1027
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,760
consciousness and stopping us advancing

1028
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,520
uh but they never define exactly what

1029
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,240
they mean by those things um so you know

1030
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:04,160
if anyone has any more information on

1031
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:04,880
this

1032
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,520
let us know but as far as i can see it

1033
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,160
just seems to be a story

1034
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,400
and it's one of those ideas that isn't

1035
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,720
new it wasn't brought up by tom and it's

1036
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,240
been around for a long time and i'm sure

1037
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,839
if you go back and watch old versions of

1038
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,160
star trek from the 60s you will see

1039
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,480
parasitic entities and you know star

1040
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,079
trek next generation

1041
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,400
star wars fan fiction probably in there

1042
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,079
somewhere you know it's it's not a new

1043
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,320
idea um yeah

1044
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,400
the the parasitic stuff uh it's kind of

1045
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:35,680
separate to that um

1046
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,960
really because tom's referring to

1047
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:41,280
negative entities that feed off negative

1048
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,560
emotions

1049
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,320
kind of made of energy and not meat

1050
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,320
suits like us um

1051
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,839
that kind of crosses over with a lot of

1052
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:49,440
esoteric stuff like crowley and things

1053
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,720
like that so if anyone's interested in

1054
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,320
that area i'd recommend go down that

1055
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,240
rabbit hole and you'll you'll find a bit

1056
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,079
that's familiar

1057
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,000
and it's the same as you know we heard

1058
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,839
tom talk about love and how powerful

1059
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:02,160
love is as an emotion and he's not the

1060
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,680
first person to do that but you know

1061
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,760
these entities feed on fear you know

1062
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,680
uniting the planet and being one would

1063
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:09,280
be such a powerful tool that was

1064
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:10,320
something that was said in a lot of

1065
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,920
those interviews again around those

1066
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,000
those early days as well it's a strange

1067
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,720
thing for a creative individual to say

1068
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:18,560
that a hive mind would be better i think

1069
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:22,800
that that's weird yeah um again this is

1070
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,280
where like dave and others have said

1071
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,599
tom's opinion is made up of a whole load

1072
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,839
of i think i i said i can't remember the

1073
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,280
interview was it with cut joy mongol

1074
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,520
about tom's a guy with a 1 000 piece

1075
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,200
jigsaw

1076
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,280
and he's got half the pieces and the

1077
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,280
picture he's got makes a little bit of

1078
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,960
sense but he's not got all the you know

1079
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,560
all those bits to fill in and can't see

1080
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,240
the full picture and he fills in the

1081
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,240
blanks themselves and in creative ways i

1082
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,320
think at times just depending on what

1083
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,720
what he has and hasn't heard so uh but

1084
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,640
yeah again i'm not using the word lying

1085
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,040
there because that's not what i think so

1086
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:57,040
yeah creative soul creative personality

1087
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,400
he's always going to have that that

1088
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,920
tendency

1089
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,920
next up machine secret got in touch

1090
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,760
thanks for sending over that tom delong

1091
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:06,000
ama that was interesting to read through

1092
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,680
machine secret did say though at one

1093
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,160
point within the ama tom mentions a site

1094
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,640
called ram site as a location of

1095
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,960
recovered craft material not found

1096
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,200
anything on this site any ideas and the

1097
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,680
short answer to that is no i looked it

1098
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,119
up and i was asking dan before we

1099
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,960
recorded as well if he had could find

1100
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,680
anything and again dan drawing a total

1101
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,560
blank on that aren't we no um it will be

1102
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,720
added to the list of questions for when

1103
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,320
we next speak to lou or someone like

1104
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,920
john ramirez or you know someone who

1105
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,960
works on the inside that might have

1106
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,680
heard that name

1107
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,839
um or if you are one of the listeners

1108
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,920
out there who knows maybe you work maybe

1109
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,520
you worked there maybe you work there

1110
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,359
now and are listening to this podcast as

1111
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:47,119
you work on reverse engineering some

1112
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:48,079
tech

1113
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,599
but if it's something you're aware of or

1114
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,280
you can point us in the direction of

1115
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,119
some interviews or even articles that

1116
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:55,680
would be great send over but um my my

1117
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:58,400
googling is coming up with nara nothing

1118
00:38:03,829 --> 00:37:59,440
zip

1119
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,839
and to finish up um we had k kai c-a-e

1120
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,760
again you can correct me on that one i'm

1121
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:08,000
more than happy um during an interview

1122
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,359
tom mentioned that one of the most

1123
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,520
significant ufo encounters he is aware

1124
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:13,760
of happened during the starfish prime

1125
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,200
high altitude nuclear test in 1962. if i

1126
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,119
recall correctly tom suggested the

1127
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,440
explosion may have taken down a uap do

1128
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,240
you have any details on this yes so

1129
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,400
initially starfish prime

1130
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,560
and this is from a website that's not

1131
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,839
very well known called wikipedia

1132
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,320
starfish prime

1133
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:34,400
is a him and i've still never donated i

1134
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:37,359
really should um starfish prime is uh

1135
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:40,640
part of a project fishbowl or operation

1136
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,200
fishbowl and which was going to be five

1137
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:45,920
high altitude slash in space nuclear

1138
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,400
tests explosions in space and the first

1139
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,560
one didn't go ahead or it did but it had

1140
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:53,200
to be aborted and blown up and destroyed

1141
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,079
during launch due to issues um this uh

1142
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,400
starfish prime was the second

1143
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,440
and essentially the the blast and at

1144
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,280
altitude could be seen

1145
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:05,839
in hawaii 900 miles away through cloud

1146
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:07,839
cover there are some pictures online of

1147
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:08,560
that

1148
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:12,079
different rumors and everything like

1149
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,520
that that goes along with it including

1150
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:16,240
the ufo stuff but it was to

1151
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,359
look at

1152
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:18,960
the ways to

1153
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:21,920
combat intercon icbm missile launches

1154
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,800
from the soviet union stuff like that um

1155
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,119
but inadvertently from a ufo point of

1156
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,599
view apparently a story goes that it

1157
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,079
knocked a uap out of

1158
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,160
out of orbit out of the atmosphere

1159
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,480
whatever it may have been um

1160
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:38,960
not deliberately but from that this is

1161
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,599
where emps as dan's notes have got here

1162
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:42,960
as well

1163
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:45,760
we learned that emps have an effect on

1164
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,599
you you know uaps emps uaps yep and the

1165
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,320
others so dan thoughts on that

1166
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,240
yeah it's a story that's gone around a

1167
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,880
lot um credit to red panda koala it was

1168
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,079
it was in his video otherwise we would

1169
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,640
have forgot to make notes on it um we

1170
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,079
actually will pop his videos in the

1171
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,560
description because he he did a lot of

1172
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,400
lag work and was a great reference for a

1173
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,720
lot of what i'm talking about uh but

1174
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,319
yeah uh apparently it was the first time

1175
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,040
that we knocked the uap down um

1176
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:15,200
and it perhaps led to

1177
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:18,079
how we chose to position nuclear assets

1178
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,359
around the world

1179
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,119
again it's kind of

1180
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,200
you know we we have evidence that this

1181
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:24,480
happened we don't necessarily have

1182
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:27,520
evidence of the uap stuff um the record

1183
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:28,800
showed that there was a satellite

1184
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,280
knocked down during the launch uh which

1185
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,960
was said to be a british satellite but

1186
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,960
again you know we just we just don't

1187
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,560
know it's kind of a choose your own

1188
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,200
adventure type thing

1189
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,280
yeah pretty interesting and again it's

1190
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,680
as just that it's a story our friend

1191
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:45,839
sean cahill famously in our

1192
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,560
room 101 special talked about sticking

1193
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,480
anything of with one source

1194
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,440
and the

1195
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,000
nice but no thanks category because it's

1196
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,079
just got that one source and this is one

1197
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,839
of those things where it is just just a

1198
00:41:01,510 --> 00:41:00,079
story there's no hard and fast evidence

1199
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,520
on it but it's

1200
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,359
it's not totally out with the realms of

1201
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:05,760
possibility that one of these you know

1202
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:08,240
experiments did inadvertently show us

1203
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,680
like like the discovery of you know

1204
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,359
penicillin

1205
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,359
that oh actually but we were trying this

1206
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,359
but this happened off the back of it and

1207
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:17,119
this thing crashed because we blew this

1208
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,160
up and the

1209
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,240
emp the blast was actually much more

1210
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,040
powerful than they expected so

1211
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,599
it caused burglar alarms and there's a

1212
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,520
scottish word for you burglar

1213
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,000
burglar yep it caused those alarms to go

1214
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,319
off um again in places almost over a

1215
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,240
thousand miles away and shook homes and

1216
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,160
all that kind of stuff as well so um

1217
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,079
they learned a lot and maybe on that day

1218
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,000
if anyone wants to google it check out

1219
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,480
starfish prime operation starfish prime

1220
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,480
project starfish prime um and you'll

1221
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,040
you'll find info on that as well

1222
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:50,160
dan anything to add to this part 1.5

1223
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,760
before we wrap up

1224
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:53,599
no i think that's i mean we've covered

1225
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,880
the listening questions thank you so

1226
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,240
much for sending all these in by the way

1227
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,480
it's great uh there's so much to cover

1228
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,760
there it helps us remember some of the

1229
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,119
finer points

1230
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,800
yeah and as we do this we are going to

1231
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:04,880
wrap up right now and we are going to go

1232
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,760
straight into recording part two uh

1233
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,359
which we're looking forward to there's

1234
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,520
probably going to be four maybe five

1235
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:13,760
parts to this whole whole series as we

1236
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,160
go along but we want to be doing a part

1237
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,640
2.5 and 3.5 to get listener points

1238
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,400
listener questions listen our thoughts

1239
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:23,520
in so anything you have ideally please

1240
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,000
email me over ufo uapam gmail.com and

1241
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,400
we'll add those in for a part 2.5 and

1242
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,160
once you've heard part two as well you

1243
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,240
can stick in any questions or thoughts

1244
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,079
and if we get anything wrong please

1245
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,000
correct us in there as well but

1246
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,680
dan tends to correct me when i get stuff

1247
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:42,000
wrong so you don't have to do that

1248
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,440
not always i didn't correct poway and

1249
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,880
and i kind of knew about that it just

1250
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,160
wasn't a big deal

1251
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,760
p or whatever i thought so but you know

1252
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,280
it's relative to the president it was a

1253
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,440
big deal so i'm glad we got to it it was

1254
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,280
like glasgow whenever the americans say

1255
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,440
glasgow yeah but yeah that's us folks

1256
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,680
pleasure to have done part 1.5 dan thank

1257
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,000
you if you want to check out part two

1258
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,319
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1259
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,319
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1260
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,400
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1261
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,000
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1262
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,920
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1263
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1264
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:13,359
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1265
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:14,720
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1266
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1267
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,720
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00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,359
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1273
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,440
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1274
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,359
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1275
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,599
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1276
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,079
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00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,319
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1283
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1285
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1286
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:01,520
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1287
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:04,640
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1288
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:28,710
alice

1289
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:31,690
and smoke

1290
00:45:03,109 --> 00:44:42,150
i can't imagine how it could have been

1291
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,870
was weird and everything was red i

1292
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:06,640
helped out my boys they thought this was

1293
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:19,990
[Music]

1294
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:31,230
over there

1295
00:46:12,680 --> 00:45:39,839
[Music]

1296
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:12,690
it wasn't a tic-tac

1297
00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:32,870
[Music]

1298
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:34,710
it's very smooth